he tried to veto many of those bills. he could not because the democrats controlled congress, and so he was forced, willy-nilly, if you're going to have a budget at all--and mr. clinton is going to discover this--you just have to go along, in the end, with congress. and he did not bankrupt the country. he did--he tried to control spending. he was just in too weak a position to do so. c-span: so you just wash your hands of any of the problems today that were brought about by supply-side economics. >> guest: well, the problems ex--they weren't brought about by supply-side economics. they were brought about, i would say, by irresponsible congressional expenditures. but it doesn't matter. the problems are real. i mean, they're with us. i mean, medicare, medicaid, things that originally were thought to involve the expenditure of perhaps a few billion dollars suddenly are s--going at the rate of tens of billions of dollars, which no one really anticipated, but which a thoughtful person might have-not anticipated, but say at som